Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/26/2002 12:10 PM Senate RES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                          JOINT MEETING                                                                                       
               SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                            
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 26, 2002                                                                                       
                           12:10 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Torgerson, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Gary Wilken, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Robin Taylor                                                                                                            
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
Representative Drew Scalzi, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Beverly Masek, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Hugh Fate, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Joe Green                                                                                                        
Representative Lisa McGuire                                                                                                     
Representative Gary Stevens                                                                                                     
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
HOUSE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
Representative Mike Chenault                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MINING INDUSTRY OVERVIEW                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steve Borell                                                                                                                
Alaska Miners Association                                                                                                       
3305 Arctic Boulevard, Number 202                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tom Irwin                                                                                                                   
True North Property                                                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Charlotte MacCay, Senior Administrator                                                                                      
Environmental and Regulatory Affairs                                                                                            
Red Dog Operations                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Keith Marshall, General Manager                                                                                             
Greens Creek                                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Steve Dento                                                                                                                 
Usibelli Coal Mine                                                                                                              
Healy, Alaska  99743                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Karl Hanneman                                                                                                               
Alaska Regional Manager                                                                                                         
Teck-Pogo, Inc.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Don Artesinger, Vice President                                                                                              
Coeur Alaska                                                                                                                    
Kensington Mine Project                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bill Ellis                                                                                                                  
Alaska Earth Sciences, Inc.                                                                                                     
Denali Block Project                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Greg Johnson, Vice President                                                                                                
NovaGold Resources Inc.                                                                                                         
Donlin Creek                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-4, SIDE A [SENATE RES TAPE]                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN JOHN TORGERSON called the joint meeting of the Senate                                                                  
Resources Standing Committee and the House Resources Standing                                                                   
Committee to order at 12:10 p.m.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MINING INDUSTRY OVERVIEW                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  announced that  members would hear  the second                                                              
annual mining industry briefing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVE BORELL,  Alaska Miners Association, said  that low metal                                                              
prices have been  the primary driving force for most  of the mines                                                              
and exploration projects  in the state.  Many of  the small family                                                              
mines  have been  idle due  to low  prices,  especially for  gold.                                                              
However, at  the same time, there  has been both new  and expanded                                                              
interest  in  three  exploration  areas.   First,  platinum  group                                                              
metals have  received significant  interest.   One of them  is the                                                              
Denali Highway Block  Platinum Project.  Another  project north of                                                              
Nome,  called Kougarok,  is  focusing on  tantalum,  a metal  used                                                              
increasingly in electronic applications.   He is aware of at least                                                              
three  companies  that are  looking  for  diamonds in  Alaska  and                                                              
explained that  most geologists  say that  diamonds don't  grow in                                                              
Alaska, but  that 50 years ago  they hadn't found diamonds  in the                                                              
Northwest  Territories;  however,   by  the  year  2004  they  are                                                              
projected to  outstrip South Africa  as the third-largest  diamond                                                              
producer in the world.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON thanked him for his comments.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TOM  IRWIN, True North  Property, had a ten-minute  PowerPoint                                                              
presentation describing the development  of the Fort Knox project.                                                              
He said that  16 Alaskan companies  worked on the access  road and                                                              
11  Alaskan  companies worked  on  the  bridge, while  22  Alaskan                                                              
companies worked  in their  shop in Juneau.   He said  the project                                                              
continues to  perform exceptionally  well, moving 70,000  - 90,000                                                              
tons of ore per  day, continuing to set daily  and yearly records.                                                              
Last  year  they  [processed]  411,000  ounces of  gold,  with  an                                                              
exceptional  safety and environmental  record.   He said  they are                                                              
the  number-one  steady  taxpayer  in  the  Fairbanks  North  Star                                                              
Borough, at  $3.7 million,  and their  employees add another  $0.3                                                              
million.  His company  is working on finding more  ore and will be                                                              
investing  about  $3  million  this  year  for  exploration.    In                                                              
addition,  they are  looking at using  their granite  as a  gravel                                                              
product.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN  asked what  percentage  of their  employees  and                                                              
companies are Alaskan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. IRWIN replied that they are at 91 percent local hire.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LINCOLN  asked  if  they   are  saving  the  topsoil  for                                                              
reclamation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  IRWIN said  yes,  they put  it  in a  separate  pile so  it's                                                              
accessible.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON thanked Mr. Irwin for his presentation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHARLOTTE  MacCAY, Senior Administrator for  Environmental and                                                              
Regulatory  Affairs,  Red  Dog  Operations,  said  in  July  2001,                                                              
Cominco Alaska Ltd.  and Tech Resources merged, and  so Red Dog is                                                              
now  operated by  Teck Cominco  Alaska.   The  merger caused  some                                                              
changes  in  the  corporate  structure,  but there  are  not  many                                                              
impacts  at the  operation-management  level.   Teck Cominco  also                                                              
owns the Pogo  project.  She said their general  manager, John Key                                                              
(ph),  moved  on  to  Minnesota  to  open up  a  new  mine.    His                                                              
replacement is Bob  Jacko (ph), who has extensive  experience with                                                              
Teck Cominco and arctic mines, including  being general manager of                                                              
the Polaris Mine located north of Baffin Island.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MacCAY said  zinc and  all metal  prices have  been down  for                                                              
2001, with zinc  averaging $0.35 per pound, a  29-percent decrease                                                              
over 2000  prices.  This  resulted in the  loss of $13  million in                                                              
the fourth quarter of 2001.  Their  projected losses for 2002 will                                                              
be  $30 million.   There  is some  indication  that prices  should                                                              
begin to  recover very  late in  2002.   The stockpiles  are going                                                              
down, and  the need  for the  metal should  start bringing  prices                                                              
back up.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY  reported that  during the past  couple of  years, Teck                                                              
Cominco completed two projects increasing  their recovery rate and                                                              
the quality  of their  product.   They continue  to have  some ore                                                              
complexities that need  to be addressed, since the  ore changes in                                                              
different parts of  the pit, but anticipate meeting  their goal of                                                              
1.1  million tons  of concentrate.   In  2002 they  will focus  on                                                              
improving  their   current  facilities  to  become   the  best  in                                                              
production, safety, and environmental  performance.  Projects such                                                              
as  the port  modification  to facilitate  the  direct loading  of                                                              
vessels  through  dredging  and  creating  a new  port  are  under                                                              
reconsideration;  finances associated with  them are  difficult to                                                              
find at this time.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY  said they are  continuing to evaluate  the development                                                              
of natural  gas as a  replacement for the  diesel they use  at Red                                                              
Dog,  about 15  million gallons  of diesel  per year.   They  have                                                              
found  methane within  the shale  around the  deposit and  believe                                                              
they can find enough  of a deposit to replace the  diesel fuel for                                                              
the powerhouse.   They  still have  to evaluate  whether that  gas                                                              
will  flow,  and  need  a  different  kind  of  drilling  test  to                                                              
determine whether  the gas  will come out  of the fracture  in the                                                              
shale and  be usable.   If they can do  that, there are  some cost                                                              
benefits,  although they  are marginal.   The  biggest benefit  is                                                              
environmental, cutting air emissions approximately in half.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY noted  that environmental activity in  2002 is expected                                                              
to continue  in the form of  studying and addressing  dust impacts                                                              
along the road and at the port site.   Studies have shown that the                                                              
berries  in the  area are  safe for  human  consumption, but  they                                                              
continue   to  work   on  dust   containment,  especially   source                                                              
reduction, and will spend another  $8 million - $10 million there.                                                              
She noted they had already spent $4 million in this area.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MacCAY  said  Teck  Cominco  will  be  developing  a  revised                                                              
reclamation plan, since the mine  has a long life and they want to                                                              
keep up  with the times.   They are  working on getting  the waste                                                              
permit that  extends to  the tailings impoundment.   When  Red Dog                                                              
was  originally permitted,  solid  waste regulations  were not  in                                                              
place.  She said:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Despite  the economic hardships,  Red Dog still  remains                                                                   
     the world's largest  zinc mine, with a life  of at least                                                                   
     40 years.  We are doing no exploration  activity in 2002                                                                   
     at all.   However, there is still a lot  of potential in                                                                   
     the  area,  and  as  soon  as  the  financial  situation                                                                   
     improves, we anticipate exploration will pick back up.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MacCAY  said they  are working  to bring  more and more  NANA-                                                              
related businesses  to work  as support services  at Red Dog.   In                                                              
closing, she said:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Being "the  world's largest zinc mine" is  often quoted,                                                                   
     and  it's a somewhat  impressive phrase,  but both  Teck                                                                   
     Cominco  and NANA  believe that  our  commitment to  the                                                                   
     local community and our successful  partnership with the                                                                   
     Native  corporation  is an  accomplishment  that  speaks                                                                   
     louder and has greater meaning.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:25 p.m.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KEITH MARSHALL, General Manager,  Greens Creek Mine, showed an                                                              
operational  and project  overview.   He  said they  had a  record                                                              
production in  2001 of 650,000 tons:   12 percent zinc,  5 percent                                                              
lead, 22  percent silver, and 0.2  percent gold.  They  had record                                                              
low operating  costs of $75  per ton and  a loss of  $3.7 million.                                                              
They were  producing as well as  they could, but the  metal prices                                                              
impacted their  revenues by $9.3  million, a 12-percent  drop over                                                              
the year.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MARSHALL  said they increased  production and had  to increase                                                              
the capacity  of their mill,  a project  that was finished  in the                                                              
first quarter of this year and cost  $6 million.  They installed a                                                              
5-megawatt turbine because with more  throughput, they needed more                                                              
power; that cost  $5 million.  One of the benefits  of the turbine                                                              
is that they will reduce their overall  noxious emissions from the                                                              
operation  by  25   -  35  percent,  20  percent   more  than  the                                                              
manufacturers predicted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MARSHALL  said  the  final project  for  the  year  is  their                                                              
tailings  expansion of  about 20  percent.   He said  they have  a                                                              
total  of  $21  million  in  projects  going on.    In  2001  they                                                              
finalized their  solid waste permit  with the state, and  they are                                                              
in the  process of securing  a $24-million  reclamation bond.   He                                                              
pointed out  that Greens Creek has  the smallest footprint  of any                                                              
of  the  operating mines  in  Alaska.    The company  thinks  that                                                              
reclamation  is their responsibility  and that  the bond  level is                                                              
correct.   Mr.  Marshall thanked  members for  the opportunity  to                                                              
talk to them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  TORGERSON  thanked him  for  coming and  announced  that                                                              
Steve Denton would give an overview for Usibelli Coal Mine.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEVE  DENTON, General  Manager, Usibelli  Coal Mine,  said he                                                              
wanted  to  talk   a  little  about  the  regulatory   and  market                                                              
environments  they are  in.   He  showed the  committee photos  of                                                              
their operations.   The preliminary drilling results  of their new                                                              
Poker Flat  lease indicate  they wouldn't  have to  move a  lot of                                                              
dirt to get to the coal.  He praised  the Division of Mining, Land                                                              
and  Water  for  doing  an  excellent   job  with  permitting  and                                                              
regulation.   They  don't see  "storm  clouds on  the horizon"  in                                                              
terms of  environmental  regulation, but  he "wakes  up in  a cold                                                              
sweat sometimes"  about some  things going  at the federal  level.                                                              
He said:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I  hope the legislature  would  kind of keep  an eye  on                                                                   
     that   and  give   DEC  [Department   of   Environmental                                                                   
     Conservation]  the  support  they  need  because,  quite                                                                   
     frankly, they are  going to be in some battles  with the                                                                   
     federal regulators  - try to protect their  primacy as a                                                                   
     state  agency, and  their ability to  govern and  manage                                                                   
     the state's resources,  in the way that's  better for us                                                                   
     but  not necessarily  what's good  for the  rest of  the                                                                   
     country.   I think DEC is  going to need some  help here                                                                   
     in the future.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DENTON said  there were  concerns lately  about their  export                                                              
market and  remarked, "We  have been here  before."  He  said they                                                              
have been  at the  eleventh hour,  shipping the  last of  the coal                                                              
from  the existing  contract,  and don't  have  a continuation  in                                                              
hand.  He told members:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  simple  fact is  that  coal  prices right  now  are                                                                   
     taking another plunge.  The  Chinese are dumping coal on                                                                   
     the market  right now.  The  prices are going  down, and                                                                   
     we can't compete with that kind  of a situation.  We are                                                                   
     still  talking  with  the  Koreans,  trying  to  get  an                                                                   
     extension  on the contract.   We have  four - five  more                                                                   
     months of shipments remaining on existing contract.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENTON  said it is  a very challenging  market at  the moment;                                                              
prices are  almost at their all-time  low - $1.25 m/Btu  - a price                                                              
that pretty  much drove  everyone out of  business in 1999.   Then                                                              
the price started going up when everyone dropped out.  He said:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I want  to put the export  coal market and  the domestic                                                                   
     market  in  a proper  perspective.   The  United  States                                                                   
     right  now is  a net  importer of  coal.   I'm not  sure                                                                   
     people  are aware  of that.   We exported  approximately                                                                   
     13.2  million tons  of  coal last  year.   Usibelli  has                                                                   
     exported about 5  - 6 percent of that.  So  we are a big                                                                   
     part of the  U.S. steam coal export market.   That's not                                                                   
     to  say  that  Usibelli  is  a  big  part  of  the  coal                                                                   
     business.   It's  just that  the export  market for  the                                                                   
     United States is very low.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     By comparison,  we imported 24.1 million tons,  or about                                                                   
     11  millions more  than  we exported.    The total  U.S.                                                                   
     production is  over 1 billion  tons now.  The  message I                                                                   
     would  like to  leave  with  you, I  guess,  is the  one                                                                   
     that's  embodied in  this other  handout,  and that  is,                                                                   
     there is  a good reason why  the United States  burns so                                                                   
     much coal:   because we have  a lot of it, and  it's the                                                                   
     cheapest way to make electricity.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENTON showed  a chart illustrating that point.   He said that                                                              
the new  intertie that  Golden Valley  is building  runs right  by                                                              
their property, and  he said the legislature would  hear more from                                                              
them in  the future  about promoting  a power  station that  would                                                              
provide power for  the entire Railbelt.  He said  this power would                                                              
work in the rural  areas, also, delivering the power  by wire.  He                                                              
added, "It's  clean, it's efficient  and it will get  you low-cost                                                              
energy."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR asked him about the Healy Clean Coal project.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENTON replied  that they are mostly observers  and that there                                                              
are a lot of hurdles still to come.   The Trustees for Alaska have                                                              
submitted 27 pages of comments, and  there are some very difficult                                                              
things  to deal  with  from the  standpoint  of re-permitting  the                                                              
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE asked if  he was  interested in any  coal-bed                                                              
methane exploration.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENTON replied, "Yes, the coal  that we have in the Healy area                                                              
is pretty  low methane.   I'm not sure  what the potential  for it                                                              
is."                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KARL HANNEMAN, Alaska Regional  Manager, Teck-Pogo, Inc., said                                                              
the Pogo  project expects  to be  the next  major mine in  Alaska.                                                              
Pogo is about 40 miles northeast  of Delta Junction and has a gold                                                              
resource  of 5.6 million  ounces  located on state  land about  50                                                              
miles  from existing  infrastructure.   The key  issues for  their                                                              
development  are  to ensure  the  integrity  of the  Good  Pasture                                                              
River, which  flows nearby, and  the management and  mitigation of                                                              
access to  the project.   Their joint-venture partners,  Sumitomo,                                                              
discovered the deposit  in 1994.  Teck-Pogo negotiated  and earned                                                              
a 40-percent share  in 1997, and in 1999 they  started underground                                                              
exploration of the  deposit.  They spent about $70  million on the                                                              
project,  and they  hope to  build  an underground  mine of  about                                                              
2,500 tons per  day, approximately the same size  as Greens Creek,                                                              
for $250  million in capital costs  and with an  annual production                                                              
of about  400,000 ounces a  year or $125  million in revenue.   He                                                              
said it would  take 500 employees  a couple of years to  build the                                                              
mine,  and they  are  projecting  a 12-year  mine  life, based  on                                                              
existing research.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HANNEMAN  reiterated   that  one  of  their   key  issues  is                                                              
management of access.   They have finalized their  mill design and                                                              
are  about  to   finish  the  feasibility  study;   they  recently                                                              
resubmitted some  documents to the  agencies for their  review and                                                              
are engaged  in the  EIS and permitting  process with  federal and                                                              
state agencies.  He said that to  make the project a reality, they                                                              
need  the  road and  power  line  to  be permitted;  they  need  a                                                              
reasonable  waste water  discharge  system to  be permitted;  they                                                              
need a stable  tax policy in  the context of the  mandated borough                                                              
formation;  they need  a schedule  that allows  them to meet  this                                                              
next winter's  road season, so they  can use the winter  road; and                                                              
they  need to  pull all  this together  in  the final  feasibility                                                              
study to demonstrate the project economics.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON asked what the status was of the road permit.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  replied that they  have not yet officially  applied.                                                              
As  part of  the EIS  process, they  were  asked to  get a  little                                                              
further  into  the  alternative   valuation  process  before  they                                                              
actually made a permit application.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TAYLOR  asked if there was  some interest in  shipping the                                                              
bulk product into Fort Knox for processing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANNEMAN  replied that  they had  looked at that  conceptually                                                              
earlier, but  the ore types are  quite different, and  the milling                                                              
processes in  terms of  the grinding size  and the retention  time                                                              
needed  to recover  the  gold are  different.    The economics  of                                                              
hauling it that far are not good,  so it's not something that they                                                              
think is viable.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  quipped that they  should wait a  little while                                                              
and  they'd  have  a  railroad.   He  then  thanked  him  for  his                                                              
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DON ARTESINGER, Vice President,  Coeur Alaska, said that Coeur                                                              
has been operating in Alaska since  1997, as a subsidiary of Coeur                                                              
d'Alene   Mines    [Corporation],   working   on    the   proposed                                                              
redevelopment of the Kensington project.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-4, SIDE B                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
MR. ARTESINGER  pointed out on  a map that  an area 45  miles past                                                              
the end  of the Juneau  road system was  known as the  Juneau Gold                                                              
Belt, and  at one time  about seven mines  operated in  that area.                                                              
The  Kensington operated  off  and on  until  1935.   He said  the                                                              
project has  been permitted  twice in  the past,  but he  has only                                                              
worked  with the  one site,  which has  many challenges  including                                                              
high precipitation,  some seismic activity, and  avalanches.  Most                                                              
important   is  the  concern   of  how   to  deal  with   tailings                                                              
economically with low gold prices.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARTESINGER said the scenario  is to build a 2.5-mile road from                                                              
the end  of Glacier Highway,  past a  point where the  property is                                                              
owned  by Goldbelt  Incorporated [Native  corporation], with  whom                                                              
they have a lease  agreement.  The existing road  was just made an                                                              
R.S. 2477 last month and is now state  public right-of-way, and it                                                              
is about  5.5 miles long.   They would  build a 6,500-foot  tunnel                                                              
through to  reach the  (indisc), and instead  of dealing  with the                                                              
tailings on one  side of the project, they would  build a pipeline                                                              
and deposit  them in Slate Lake,  which is not an  anadromous lake                                                              
and is  about 70 feet  deep.  This  would substantially  lower the                                                              
cost of  the tailings project,  from $2.50 a  ton to about  $.30 a                                                              
ton.    They  would  have  a containment  dam  and  go  through  a                                                              
reclamation   process   at   the  end   that   has   environmental                                                              
enhancements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARTESINGER said  that aside from port facilities,  the revised                                                              
footprint  is much  smaller  and  there is  a  much smaller  power                                                              
requirement,  reducing capital  costs from  about $211 million  to                                                              
about $155 million.  From the standpoint  of local economics, this                                                              
project would take  about two years to build and  325 construction                                                              
workers.  Coeur has in place local-hire  and training commitments,                                                              
both locally to  Southeast as well as to the  Native corporations,                                                              
with sustained  employment of about 225  jobs or a payroll  of $16                                                              
million per year.  The tax base of  the City and Borough of Juneau                                                              
would also benefit.   This project has to be  re-permitted for the                                                              
third  time by  the City  and Borough  of  Juneau.   This work  is                                                              
ongoing now,  and the company  has $120 million  already invested.                                                              
They  will go  ahead with  the supplemental  environmental  impact                                                              
statement  (EIS)  to  position  this  project  for  an  investment                                                              
decision if  gold prices,  which have  increased recently,  can be                                                              
sustained in  the neighborhood  of above $320  an ounce.   Now the                                                              
price is around $298.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TAYLOR  asked why  the  road  hadn't  been built  out  to                                                              
Cascade Point yet.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ARTESINGER  replied that  the  road  had been  permitted  and                                                              
Goldbelt,  the owner,  holds the  permits, but  they haven't  been                                                              
willing to  make that  kind of investment.   Coeur hasn't  either,                                                              
until they know the mine is ready to go forward.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON  thanked him and  announced the  Denali Highway                                                              
Block project  would be  presented by Bill  Ellis of  Alaska Earth                                                              
Sciences.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BILL  ELLIS, Alaska  Earth Sciences, said  he is  a consultant                                                              
geologist and has explored this part  of the state since the early                                                              
1990s.   He said  the Denali  Block has  become a very  intriguing                                                              
platinum project.  Platinum is now  recognized as the green metal,                                                              
because of its  unique catalytic properties and  its importance in                                                              
the development of fuel cell technology.  He said:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     They truly have a unique position  in the world economy,                                                                   
     and because of their industrial  and environmental uses,                                                                   
     they  will  be  the  metal  of  the  new  millennium....                                                                   
     Prices of  platinum have significantly increased  in the                                                                   
     last year or  so, and they are considerably  higher than                                                                   
     gold.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Essentially, platinum group  metals are very rare in the                                                                   
     world.   Economic  concentrations are  only in a  couple                                                                   
     dozen major deposits  in the entire world.   These occur                                                                   
     in  a specific  geologic  environment  that consists  of                                                                   
     rocks  that come  directly from  the mantle.   The  vast                                                                   
     majority  of the  world's platinum  comes from  southern                                                                   
     Africa at 68  percent, Russia at 12 percent,  and only 8                                                                   
     percent  from North  America.   So, it's  coming from  a                                                                   
     very unstable area, in my mind.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ELLIS  showed a picture  of the Denali  Block that  is between                                                              
Anchorage and  Fairbanks.  In 1992  there were about 30  claims in                                                              
the area  - approximately  175 square  miles -  and by 1999  there                                                              
were   over  3,000   claims   controlled   by  essentially   three                                                              
exploration   groups,   the   largest   being   M.A.N.   Resources                                                              
[Northridge  Exploration  and  Fort   Knox  are  the  other  two].                                                              
Explaining his map to the committee,  he said there are over 1,200                                                              
state-selected claims in the Denali Block.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GREG  JOHNSON, Vice President,  NovaGold Resources  Inc., said                                                              
they started  up in 1998 and  are a U.S.-based company  focused in                                                              
Alaska.  They  believe Alaska is a great place  to do exploration.                                                              
In  1999 they  acquired  the  Alaska  Gold Company,  the  historic                                                              
operating  company that  mined the Nome  and Fairbanks  goldfields                                                              
with bucket-lined dredges.  They  have been building the business,                                                              
making their  money in the Seward  Peninsula's Nome area,  and are                                                              
now the  largest producer  of sand and  gravel in Western  Alaska,                                                              
shipping material down  to the Aleutians and many  villages up and                                                              
down the coast.   They are enthusiastic that they  are going to be                                                              
able to expand  that business and  want to become the  major sand-                                                              
and-gravel suppliers  for the  whole Pacific Rim.   They  are very                                                              
excited about  the port  expansion project going  on at  Nome this                                                              
year.  They  are talking with  the state about the  next expansion                                                              
of that project.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  said they are very  excited about their  Donlin Creek                                                              
Project, having just  picked it up in a joint  venture with Placer                                                              
Dome,  which has  been working  on the  project for  the last  six                                                              
years.  Because  of the low gold  price, Placer Dome had  made the                                                              
strategic decision that they were  going to focus their efforts on                                                              
their existing  lines, cut back  on their exploration,  and "joint                                                              
venture out" their higher-risk projects.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON said NovaGold's strategy  is to go in and focus on the                                                              
higher-grade, smaller operations,  and they had tremendous success                                                              
last  year.   He showed  the committee  an overview  photo of  the                                                              
project.  They are looking at a Fort  Knox scale of around 400,000                                                              
ounces of gold  per year.  The  grade is five times as  high as at                                                              
Fort  Knox, but  it  takes  additional processing  requiring  more                                                              
infrastructure  and energy.    In addition,  the  area is  remote,                                                              
since they are up the Kuskokwim River from Bethel and Akiak.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  explained   that  the  land  is   owned  by  Calista                                                              
Corporation  and  that  Kuskokwim  Corporation  owns  the  surface                                                              
rights.   There  is  an existing  winter-access  road  to the  42-                                                              
square-mile project.   They are looking at three  different access                                                              
routes, and the preferred route is  on Calista land, although they                                                              
are working with the corporation's desires.  He said:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The whole key with making this  project happen is making                                                                   
     it   synergize   with  what   the   long-term   regional                                                                   
     development  plans  are for  the  region.   The  project                                                                   
     cannot  fly 100  percent  on  its own  in  terms of  the                                                                   
     infrastructure and everything  that needs to come in for                                                                   
     roads and power.   So, it has to fit in  the longer-term                                                                   
     vision of what the region needs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  reported that the  total lower-grade resource  is now                                                              
almost 23 million ounces and that  there is 10.6 million ounces of                                                              
the higher grade,  with a production rate of 400  ounces per year.                                                              
Construction costs  for a smaller-scale project,  focused on high-                                                              
grade  ore,   are  a  $300-million  to  $500-million   investment.                                                              
Operating  costs would  be $50 million  to $80  million per  year,                                                              
with 500 to  600 full-time employees.   There could be  25 or more                                                              
years  of  production,  with  the  opportunity  for  discovery  of                                                              
additional deposits being very high.   The project is supported by                                                              
Calista and Kuskokwim,  whose shareholders are hired  - 75 percent                                                              
local hire  this year.   They have almost  no turnover so  far and                                                              
have a great workforce.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  said  the project  has  significant  challenges  and                                                              
requires  creative engineering.   They  are working  with a  group                                                              
called  MRDI, located  in Vancouver,  British  Columbia, that  has                                                              
done a lot of the engineering work  at Red Dog Pogo and has put 40                                                              
other  mines in  production in  the  Arctic.   Working with  their                                                              
partner, Placer Dome,  they are trying to come up  with a creative                                                              
solution  that makes  this project  move  forward.   In 2001  they                                                              
completed  24,000  feet  of  core  drilling  costing  $3  million,                                                              
bringing  the  total investment  in  the  project  so far  to  $40                                                              
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON said NovaGold has completed  the resource estimate and                                                              
is working  on an economic scoping  study.  They are setting  up a                                                              
campus this  week and  plan to  begin a  $7-million program  to do                                                              
additional  drilling  to define  the  resource  and get  a  better                                                              
handle on total  size and grade of the system.   They are going to                                                              
try  to   do  some   test  mining  this   year  and   to  continue                                                              
environmental and  baseline studies that they started  with Placer                                                              
Dome, as  well as metallurgy testing  and engineering design.   He                                                              
said they  have six  years of  baseline work  already and  hope to                                                              
begin the  feasibility study sometime  in 2002 or 2003,  and begin                                                              
final permitting in 2003 or 2004.   They are hoping, with a rising                                                              
gold price, for a 2005 project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked  if this was open-pit or  belowground mining,                                                              
and where they would get the power for that size of a mine.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON replied that they would  start out open-pit, but long-                                                              
term there  is a lot  very high-grade  material, so they  would go                                                              
underground.  It  would be very much a Fort  Knox-scale operation.                                                              
Their operation  is looking at starting  small, at 8,000  tons per                                                              
day, and scaling up to 20,000 tons  per day to get the high grade.                                                              
With  that concept  in mind,  they  would start  with local  power                                                              
generation onsite  or in Cripple Creek.   This would be  the start                                                              
of a  regional power  grid, potentially  with  the mine being  the                                                              
main starting  customer.   As they  scale up,  they would  have to                                                              
generate additional  power.  About 25 megawatts  would be required                                                              
in the beginning,  and within three to ten years  they would scale                                                              
up to 50 - 75 megawatts.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked what energy would be used.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  said they are looking  at all the options,  but right                                                              
now they  are leaning  towards onsite  diesel.   They are  open to                                                              
possibilities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TORGERSON thanked them all for coming down and said this                                                               
meeting had been very informative.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committees, the joint                                                                
meeting of the Senate Resources Standing Committee and the House                                                                
Resources Standing Committee was adjourned at 1:22 p.m.                                                                         

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